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drwex ([personal profile] drwex) wrote 2014-07-10 05:51 pm (UTC)

Can we dissect the difference between "lies" and "being wrong" a bit?

Yes. I think it's a matter of intent, which is to say that a lie is intended to deceive.

We can dismiss "mistaken", I feel, because you can't be mistaken about whether you contacted me or spoke to the one other person who had that information (for completeness's sake, Andy knew as well, but he was with Mink).

Here I'd slightly disagree. If Scott spoke to someone else who had that information, and that person conveyed an answer to him that Scott took as authoritative, then he would be mistaken. This is my sense of his side of the situation.

he is choosing to present information he did not have to justify inviting a rapist to his part. The deliberate choice to use a fictional pretext here is what causes me to say "lie".

I would write a sentence that said, "He is choosing to present information he believed he had to justify..." If that sentence is allowed, then we can stay in the realm of mistake.

their story that they were told I wouldn't be there, did not contact me to verify this, and invited a known rapist. That's concerning all by itself. Even before you realize that they were told no such thing.

Right! Yes, exactly! This is precisely why I was trying to suggest that focusing on the notion of "lie" doesn't help and does distract. There are reasons why you concede points you don't believe in courtrooms or in arguments/negotiation and I see this as a point you can concede with no loss and with the gain of re-focusing things on the important question, which is, not to put it too bluntly, WTF??

I've been discussing over in Scott's post with Xtina about how I feel like we are much less likely to make progress toward our shared goals if we cannot re-establish basic trust. Both you and he are significantly influential in the community; a continued divide pushes people toward poles and choosing sides.

I don't think I'm the one who is most in need of a tone shift here.

Yeah, I'm workin' on that. Never said you were but since you pointed to the issue when responding to [livejournal.com profile] tigira and myself it's what we ended up talking about.

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