Date: 2014-07-10 06:26 pm (UTC)
Another side note - to lie is to willfully state what you know to be an untruth. Scott has already said (I believe from other threads) that he already believes you, yourself are telling untruths (I am not going to get into the truth value of -that- statement). Thus, the fact that you say that 'X is the truth, so if and only if X, then Y can't be true' but Scot says 'I don't believe X is the truth,' then you both aren't operating under the same perceived truth value for Y. Mind you, now -I'm- imputing for the both of you, which may not be helpful.

However, reading through the tons of side (or not-side) writing going on here and elsewhere, this really seems to be what everyone is coming down to. Who is really 'correct,' and what the other party must then know/feel... and I guess this is what comes back to Wex's framing discussion.
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