I feel that conceding a point I don't believe is a form of lying, and I'm unwilling to do so.
Nod. Thank you for explaining that.
you don't have to like me in order to agree that rape is bad.
Yeah, I tried to put that point in my first post. Blame-shifting is totally a thing and it's totally happening. I am... somewhat at a loss as to what to do. But I'm continuing to think about it as an important problem to solve.
I'm doing my best to disappear myself so we can focus on the very important issue of community safety,
Wow I hope you don't have to do that. What I'd like to disappear is the conflict between you and Scott. Where the hell did I leave that magic wand?
OK, seriously for a second: both of you have a lot of throw-weight in the community. It's different kinds, but it's there. If you disappear yourself then I'm not certain the issue will shift to "what do we do about this violent person in our midst" but rather it'll shift to Scott. He's certainly gotten a large rasher of what-for in his own post - there are people talking there who I think are pointed and effective. But without you and your views it shifts to them-vs-Scott which is even farther from a solution.
Or, maybe not. Maybe this is like when your car gets stuck in the mud and you get a bunch of people to push and it moves a bit then falls back, so everyone pushes again. Repeat enough times and the car moves. So maybe what's needed here is enough people pushing one thing in one direction for some time.
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Date: 2014-07-10 07:49 pm (UTC)Nod. Thank you for explaining that.
you don't have to like me in order to agree that rape is bad.
Yeah, I tried to put that point in my first post. Blame-shifting is totally a thing and it's totally happening. I am... somewhat at a loss as to what to do. But I'm continuing to think about it as an important problem to solve.
I'm doing my best to disappear myself so we can focus on the very important issue of community safety,
Wow I hope you don't have to do that. What I'd like to disappear is the conflict between you and Scott. Where the hell did I leave that magic wand?
OK, seriously for a second: both of you have a lot of throw-weight in the community. It's different kinds, but it's there. If you disappear yourself then I'm not certain the issue will shift to "what do we do about this violent person in our midst" but rather it'll shift to Scott. He's certainly gotten a large rasher of what-for in his own post - there are people talking there who I think are pointed and effective. But without you and your views it shifts to them-vs-Scott which is even farther from a solution.
Or, maybe not. Maybe this is like when your car gets stuck in the mud and you get a bunch of people to push and it moves a bit then falls back, so everyone pushes again. Repeat enough times and the car moves. So maybe what's needed here is enough people pushing one thing in one direction for some time.
Watch me flail. Watch me flail a whole lot.