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Consider the arguments that happened this week in Hobby Lobby in historical perspective. It's an item of faith among Court-watchers that you can't predict votes from oral arguments; that said, it sure looked like the Court is split 4-4-1 on this one and the result could be 5-4 with Kennedy deciding it. The four Justices most often seen as Conservative/right-leaning/Originalist seemed to be favoring Hobby Lobby's arguments that RFRA means they don't have to allow their employees to buy plans that include contraceptive coverage. Conversely, the four Justices most often seen as Liberal/left-leaning appear opposed to that view.

One piece of relevant history is a case known as Employment Division v Smith; sometimes called the "peyote case". Here SCOTUS ruled - in an opinion written by Justice Scalia - that the government was allowed to make laws barring Native American religious practices that involved ingesting peyote. The conservative justices joined Scalia in the majority and were opposed by liberal justices, who believed that the Constitution protected minority religious practices despite government interests in things such as drug regulation.

So why have things (apparently) flipped now? My opinion is that a great deal revolves around that notion of "minority". Liberals (very broadly speaking) differ from conservatives in their view of how Christian religious practices are handled in America. The (in my view fictitious) "war on Christmas" is emblematic of this difference. Conservatives see their religion under attack; liberals see an attempt to stop the majority from forcing its practices on everyone else. In Hobby Lobby, the owners of the company wish to require their employees to follow their own personal religious beliefs, and not access contraception. In Employment Division, the government wished to trump a minority religious practice with a majority view that peyote should be illegal.

There's a parallel here, I think, with responses to gay marriage. Conservatives cast efforts to promote same-sex marriage as an attack on themselves; liberals cast it as an attempt to get equal treatment for a minority. This case also implicates abortion, because at least Hobby Lobby has admitted that it is not opposed to all contraceptive coverage, only to coverage that its owners see as providing abortion-like services. Abortion cases often push people toward traditional positions.

My personal opinion is that if Hobby Lobby wins, even narrowly, it will be a spectacularly bad thing. It will be the first time that the Court has been willing to equate a corporation with its owners in matters of religion, and it would open up pretty much every piece of legislation and regulation to religious examination. And it would (further) damage important freedoms the First Amendment ought to be giving us.

Date: 2014-03-26 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
Lipitor? Pez dispensers? Prescription-strength Ibuprofin?

Do any of those prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, as their primary intended function?

Let caveat that I agree with your premise that these forms of contraception are not abortifacients, but I do not agree with your slippery slope argument.
Edited Date: 2014-03-26 05:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-03-26 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmd.livejournal.com
Nope. But it's not a viable pregnancy until there's implantation. Which is why it's not considered a miscarriage if the unimplanted zygote makes its own exit without implanting, which actually happens pretty often even without hormonal birth control added to the mix. (Personally, I was on hormonal birth control pills because my uterus was in the process of going feral and (it turns out) turning cancerous and we were trying to tame the wild hyperplasia.)

The ACA is already different from Romneycare in that the ACA doesn't provide any funding for abortion procedures (like D&C) or any actual chemical abortifacients. If they want to make the case that we should change the definition of what that means in order to align with their religious beliefs, that would be a different argument than they are making here.

If they're making the claim that they do not wish to provide abortifacients, then they should play on the actual playing field with the rest of us stick with the actual definition of abortifacients and not draw the line in their own location somewhere on some other playing field.


Personally, if they actually find in Hobby Lobby's favor, and really do pierce the corporate veil separating "owners/shareholders" from "the corporate entity", then I say the door should swing both ways, and I want to round up every major shareholder and corporate officer of Freedom Industries and charge them for the W VA chemical dump.

ETA: sorry, just saw your edit, and, yeah, I'm waving around my arms with great hyperbole, here. I think a more serious (and likely) example of a slippery slope would be psychiatric care or rehab and scientologists. Because they really do hate those things and they really do love lawsuits.
Edited Date: 2014-03-26 05:35 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-03-26 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pierceheart.livejournal.com
Frankly, while I disagree with them, I think they are consistent with their rationale that life begins at conception, which is a belief held by a significant number on the "pro-life" side.

Again, I disagree with them (and, frankly, disagree most vehemently in that I think the Hyde Amendment violates the First amendment.)

Date: 2014-03-27 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com
I really like the idea of accountability for the va chemical dump.

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