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Lots of people have written lots of interesting (and heartening and depressing and insightful) things. Here are two thoughts I have:

1. I do not care if the boy who was shot was "one of the good ones." That phrase offends me, because there's an implication that some boys somehow deserve to be (or we are OK if they get) gunned down by police while unarmed. Yes, it's sad that this boy was initially portrayed as some kind of gangster or hoodlum and that speaks volumes about our racist societal assumptions. But you know what? I don't care. I don't care if he was a gang-banger, or a shoplifter, or a college-bound nice kid. The undisputed fact is that an unarmed civilian was shot multiple times in what I would probably call execution style. That is just wrong.

2. The role of "the State" is way more complicated than most commentators are willing to acknowledge. Local authorities were clearly out of control, clearly overreacting, clearly over-militarized. But local authorities are also the ones who are most likely to have local residents on the force. They're the ones most likely to be known to the citizenry. It's said that the residents of Ferguson know who the shooter cop is, even though authorities won't name him. That's because the residents see those local cops day in and day out. If the State - in the person of the local police - has racist or soured relationships with the community only those local authorities can fix it.

The situation appears to have been calmed by the introduction of Missouri State-level police, who replaced the local and county authorities. That's good - the State here served a positive role. But at the same time, State governments often have much more racist and much more regressive policies than local authorities. States, particularly in the South, were the most vocal and effective opponents of integration and other attempts to improve racial justice. States all over the US today continue to impose measures such as gerrymandering and ID restrictions that isolate, disenfranchise, and disempower voters who are poor or black- and brown-skinned.

The Federal government, as noted above, has played a major role in promoting and enforcing civil rights legislation. It has established a dual justice system where people - especially those of color - who have been denied their rights in lower or state courts can bring Federal civil rights actions to redress their grievances. The Feds have consistently taken certain states to court in an attempt to maintain equal access to the ballot box, to housing, etc. But at the same time it is the Federal government that promotes and pays for the arms race that has turned local police forces into paramilitary units. The Feds, and their post-9/11 paranoia, bought tanks and drones and sniper rifles and overpowered SWAT teams to the streets of hometown America.

Anyone who thinks this issue is a simple one when talking about the role of "the State" is missing the point, I think.

Date: 2014-08-15 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c1.livejournal.com
I do not care if the boy who was shot was "one of the good ones." That phrase offends me, because there's an implication that some boys somehow deserve to be (or we are OK if they get) gunned down by police while unarmed.

Define "unarmed". If your definition doesn't include parity in terms of size/weight/physical strength/numbers/etc, then it's an incomplete definition. It's legally defensible for an able bodied (wo)man to shoot (assume self defense here) an unarmed (wo)man, if the assailant(s) is/are larger/stronger/obviously more skilled in fighting. Or put another way, Mike Tyson is bearing down on someone with just his fists. A mob of people is bearing down on a physically fit person.
We don't know who the cop is, and I've not seen pictures of the kid, beyond the yearbook photo. But it was two kids against one cop. As I recall, there's no video of what happened, and it's already come out that the kid was a robbery suspect -- a far cry from the innocent kid the locals are making him out to be -- so I'm not convinced eyewitness testimony is going to be reliable. Too many people have agendas here and there's a dearth of dispassionate evidence indicating one thing or another.
As you said, the story is complicated.

States all over the US today continue to impose measures such as gerrymandering

I can't read this and not point out that the Bay State is amongst the worst when it comes to engineering voting districts. There is no way to look at Barney Frank's old district without coming to that conclusion, and the new maps are no better -- in fact, probably worse.

Date: 2014-08-16 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c1.livejournal.com
You're right that training exists on how to deal with disparities in size. However, no training, either in police techniques or martial art, will ever equip a person to deal with every scenario. If it were the case, cops would never need to call for backup. Resisting arrest would never result in a cop going to the ER. No perp would ever manage to slip the cop's bonds. It's irrational to believe otherwise when things like that happen in America on a daily basis. That's not sophism, that's reality.

I could go on at length about how people of non/colour and socio-economic station reap benefit or are maligned on a daily basis in MA. I've visited schools in Boston that are chronically under-resourced, and been instructed by the teacher in the classroom to be careful around students, because yes, they occasionally lash out at teachers, and frequently steal from them. I've been told stories on stories of how teachers have to fight for their jobs and budgets, because their very *departments* were in danger of elimination. Do you not hear the stories of how parents struggle to get their kids into "the good schools" in their cities -- what's going on there, and why do "the bad schools" tend to be in communities of color?
Look at how voting lines are drawn, look at who lives in what communities. Then tell me that gerrymandering in MA isn't done to the detriment of people of color. MA is just as racist as everywhere else in America. It's just by dint of luck that things haven't exploded around here.

Date: 2014-08-16 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrf-arch.livejournal.com
The Bay State in fact invented the first Gerry-mander, which snaked it s way from Chelsea to Salisbury, via Andover. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. And saying, "Massachusetts did that too" in response to a statement about how it is happening across the country seems more like an attempted derailment than a positive contribution.

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